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The first question I asked Bhagavan was why Christ called out from the cross. If he was a perfect Jnani then surely he would have been indifferent to all suffering. Bhagavan explained that though a Jnani has attained Liberation already and for him there can be no such thing as suffering, some may appear to feel pain, but this is only a reaction of the body. For the body contines to have its reactions. it still eats and carries out all its natural workings. All its sufering is apparent only to the onlooker and does not affect the Jnani, for he not longer identifies the Self with the body, he lives in a transcendent state above all such. Besides this, it is immaterial to him where and when he leaves the body. Some of them when passing appear to suffer, others may pass while in Samadhi and quite unconscious of the outer world, while yet others may just disappear from sight at the moment of death. This conversation is especially interesting in view of what happended in the case of Bhagavan himself during the last days. He certainly appeared to suffer terribly; at night when he was unaware that anybody ould hear him, he lay on his couch, groaning and calling out. At that time it was indeed difficult realize that he, as a ZJnani, did not feel pain in the same way as we do., but that he saw it as something apart from him, as a dream which could be regarded objectively. When Milarepa was dying he was aked if he did not feel pain, his agony was so obviously great. "No," he replied, "but there is pain." Pain was certainly there for the body. If one is identified with the body one feels it and associates oneslef with it. But for the Jnani who sees the body always as something apart from himself pain is only an experience outside his reality. There is pain but somehow it is not his. Talks With Ramana Maharshi | The Heart | Do Guru's Feel Pain | Ramana's Appearance | Chadwick's First Darshan | Saints Turn Into Light | Somerset Maugham | Mercedes D'Acosta | Ramana's Teaching According to Adi Da | Published from the Ashram | The Seer and The Seen | Mandukya Upanishad | Three States of Consciousness | The Five Great Elements | India and Peru | Ramana's Will |
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