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SELF OBSERVATION, UNDERSTANDING

INSIGHT and SELF-WATCHING

July 26, 1975

Adi Da Samraj (Bubba Free John)

 

BUBBA: Self-observation is absolutely a key principle in the affair of understanding, but it is not self-watching. Self-observation in the manner I use the term can not be done strategically, methodically from a philosophical point of view. It may not be initiated as a kind of solution or motivated by the usual anxieties that one has in the midst of problems, in the midst of this sense of dilemma.

The only reason why one would observe one's self, watch one's self, is by reaction to the sense of dilemma, by reaction to the felt problem. That kind of self-watching, so-called self-observation, has nothing whatever to do with understanding, it's just another moment of the avoidance of relationship, just another moment of the usual life of suffering.

Self-observation is something you may do at random and within such a process you suddenly see something, comprehend something. The argument of the Guru suddenly makes a point of some kind without your having tried to get it on as a moment of insight. Well, that is the self-observation that I am talking about. It takes place not when you are strategically presenting yourself as a witness to watch yourself, but in moments when you are free of that exercise, in which you are like a mirror to your own event, and suddenly the process of your life shows itself to you. You reflect it. You simply reflect it. You no longer are interfering with the process. It simply shows itself in consciousness and there is comprehension, instant insight. This is the true quality of the self-observation that I am talking about, not the method of analyzing experiences.

So the process of sadhana for individuals in this Ashram is not one where you watch yourself methodically, analytically, taking a kind of witness stance, but one in which you respond to the Guru through the argument of his Teaching and accept his discipline, and fulfill it as a condition from hour to hour in the company of others. That's the sadhana. In the midst of that sadhana, as I've said, self-observation in this true sense, that I've just described, occurs spontaneously as a random event. It occurs as insight, the undoing of solid conditions through the sudden appearance of consciousness, free consciousness, free life.

DEVOTEE: Seems like whenever I take on that point of view of self-observation as an analytical process, there's always; this fixating in the head, almost as a necessary aspect of that type of viewpoint and.... Well, it indicates that that's all I'm doing is taking it on as a method.

BUBBA: Right. The human mechanism is is dual. It's actually very complex but we can describe it as a dual process in which the vital function, the vital process, which contains consciousness only at an unconscious, subconscious level, and the mental conscious process are fitted together in a complex kind and of play, and vital shock is in the vital, the belly, in the subconscious, unconscious dimension, in the life process itself below the mind.

So one of the strategies for getting out of the implications of vital shock is to assume the, point of view of the mind, the conscious mind, the mental, mental-mind, and self-watching life. This becomes a fixed strategy in the solid person, but it is also a natural strategy, a conventional strategy in all persons. All human beings, unless they are vegetables, idiots, engage in this strategy consistently, constantly in every moment of life. We also do it methodically if we sympathize with certain kinds of philosophy, philosophizing about life, spirituality, and so forth.

We may feel that that strategy is justified and do it professionally as a technique in our daily life as a kind of meditation, as a way to become realized or whatever. And whenever we do that, whenever we do it most intensely, we naturally will feel concentrated in the head, in the mental brain. The brain that's encased in the skull, among other functions, is the seat of the thinking mind.

The vital also has a mind, a brain of a kind, in the solar plexus. And so when we take on the analytical strategy of watching, self-watching, we opt for the point of view of the thinking brain in the skull and watch all of the manifestations that are expressed unconsciously and subconsciously through the vital brain in the solar plexus. But it's a kind of schizophrenia, split, in this dual play that is the human mechanism. And, in fact, the only moments of real self-observation occur when that split between the thinking brain and the vital brain is not being strategically lived, when we are not occupied with that set-up, that split, but are just naturally involved in the synthetic play of life and mind.

When we are doing that in random moments, we suddenly comprehend something about the nature of that total play. And when that comprehension occurs, we are, at least for the moment, seated in the dimension of consciousness itself, not in the seat of some function, some brain, some strategic position.

So real self-observation then doesn't occur in the thinking mind. It occurs when the thinking mind is relaxed, naturally involved in functioning, being a reflector rather than an aggressor, a presence, a self. On those occasions we grasp the nature of the entire play that is our humanity. And that is self-observation.

On such occasions we're not fixed in the thinking mind or in the vital mind, not in vital shock or in the strategy of thought, but in that prior conscious dimension that fundamentally can't be described. When we intuitively fall into that prior kind of consciousness, then we are seated in that...in another dimension entirely, and from that point of view the whole play of our humanity, our mentality, our vitality, the whole affair, is controllable, knowable, becomes usable, changeable. From that point of view we can make the whole affair of life, mental and vital, a sacrificial and creative process that doesn't bind.

All of the strategies assumed from that kind of solid point of view of the mind in itself are limiting. They are ways of controlling the vital from the point of view of the thinking mind. They don't work then. They're just a kind of solution. It's possible by resting in the thinking brain or in that point of view to feel somehow liberated from vital life, and that's why the tendency toward the solid position is very strong in some people because it gives them the sense of being free of the implications, at any rate, of vital shock and of the whole threatening play of vitality. They are able to step out of it entirely into this super-analytical position in which they are basically unaffected, in which they can willfully stand on top of the vital.

But in the process of understanding, of real insight, real self-observation, the vital is released, and also the strategy of the mind, the thinking mind, is released. The whole affair is released and no longer binds, no longer represents a true strategic possibility. Self-observation is not a process of one's conventional life. Self-observation is a specific process valued from the point of view of understanding.

You can certainly add conditions to your life, add conventional changes to your life, on the basis of the things that people have seen about you. Of course what somebody else has seen in you is not your self-observation. It doesn't have the force of understanding, but it has a conventional value. It can be of use in the scheme of sadhana. It's just that self-observation relates to this process of understanding. Self-watching is not, self-watching or just any kind of way of gathering data useful in conventional terms is useful enough at the conventional level of sadhana.

In fact you will watch yourself all the time. There are that specific things you may notice about yourself that are completely useful, that have nothing whatever to do with your illumined consciousness. Somebody notices that you always kick dogs as you walk down the street. They could tell you that and you could stop kicking dogs and that would be good and it would not the least thing, to do with understanding. Self watching itself has nothing whatever to do with understanding. Only self-observation does. But self-watching can produce conventional information and so forth that can have value at the conventional level of sadhana.

That is why the conditions of sadhana are so important. They serve this process of self-observation. The conditions themselves obviously are not understanding. But they can generally help establish a more appropriate order of sadhana.


SOLIDS, VITALS and PECULIARS

DEVOTEE: Bubba in the thing Billy read, talking about how the solid, peculiar and vital, I don'`t remember the exact quote but they must consciously balance their lives in terms of what they've seen. And you spoke about strategies relative to body, mind, and life-force. We were talking in our group today and one of the things that came up was, well like it seemed appropriate as solid people were talking, that there be even almost a discipline of breathing and coming into life. And we were talking with a person who is more or less peculiar, and it seemed that that person should not manipulate energies. And I was wondering if you could talk about those three forms of sadhana, sadhana for those forms of strategies in those terms.

BUBBA: Well, to talk about it in those kind of terms, we'd have to really be talking about something very specific, somebody very specific. This would always have to be something done face to face with somebody, otherwise it's not really worth talking about.

But in general and for our discussion here, if you notice, the vital type, vital types are not very intelligent. They may be smart in what we call "moxie," you know a good guy and sort of practically intelligent, gets along and so forth. But vitals are never intellects. They just never get into that, really get into that. They may be tacky sort of intellects, but not really intellectual. Because it never happens. And one of the ways of knowing if somebody is a vital type is observing this in them, do they really get into the head game. If they don't, well that's a sign that they're possibly, most characteristically, a vital type.

DEVOTEE: So their attention is like in the, I don't know why I still don't see this, but I don't quite see where the attention lies is it on their bodies.

BUBBA: By tendency each of these types has a fixed meditation in one of three chakras. There's the head chakra, the body chakra, and there's a life-force chakra. And it's not like conceptually he's always thinking about his body or something. He's just fixed in the dimension of, that dimension of manifestation. And the others play upon it without his involvement really. He has no real engagement with these others. He fundamentally depends on the one in which he is by tendency involved. And this is reflected in his own case in various ways.

The peculiar person is fixed upon the life-force, and they're generally very emotional types and they're also most often physically weak in various ways, have physical problems, because the life-force is dissociated from the body and they're more emotional than they are mental, although they can get into some mentalizing because of the type of guy. The really classic peculiar is not even very much of an intellectual. He's sort of got a very weak relationship to the body and he's not very intelligent in the sense of a head intellectual type. And he is generally very mystical, poetic, and excapist in his tendencies. Always moving, into some more or less psychotic or schizophrenic kind of solution, although the extreme kind of model of a peculiar person may be the schizophrenic but in general he's just the kind of guy who tends to get into the whole mystical, mysterious beauty of it all. And has a weak relationship to the physical, and bypasses the mental through emotion. So when you see those kinds of signs manifested outwardly, this is the indication that the person is in a fixed meditation upon the dimension of the life-force and this excludes the other two qualities of his conventional life.

The vital person is gravitated toward the mere physical, the grossest end of this human spectrum. And he tends to cancel out the whole moving life-force level and the emotional level and the mental level, so he's not a super intellect, not a super-feeling person, not a mystic, your vital person is typically a very worldly type, either very robust, they usually are physically strong because they're so much grounded in it. Although there can be other problems created because of irresponsibility relative to the life-force or something. Vitals are usually sort of hearty types. But of course the play of the mind and of the life-force is still present in them and they appear as cycles in their own case and phases and so forth. And so they're up and down all the time, in the phases of emotions because they don t get into the emotion, they don't get into life, they don't yield to the mind, they don't get into the expanded dimension of things very much. They're very much a gross personality, not necessarily in a negative sense, but very much a grounded personality. And so movements, changes, and so forth, are not things they very respond to well, and because they are much grounded in the the grossest terminal of the human process they feel frightened in the crudest sense, frightened of mortality, and so forth. And this is also usually a basic aspect of their quality as well.

The solid type is a person who by tendency fixes in the mental dimension and stands on top of the whole affair of life-force, emotions, bodily existence and so forth. Very analytical, very descriptive, very much a self-watcher and so forth. And they're very subject to emotions but they don't deal with them very well, because they try to keep them out of the picture all the time. Not mystical at all, obviously. Essentially not, not by tendency that is.

So these are just kinds of karmic strategy, kinds of disposition, that must be accounted for in the individual at a certain stage of his sadhana, just as he accounts for physical liability of some sort. So he must take on conditions that include the whole life process in him more in its total form, in its ordinary form. And this prevents dramatization then, serves him.

Most people aren't a classic one or the other of these. Most people will simply see aspects of these kinds of strategies in themselves and will appear much, generally, more complex, a more complex representation of this possibility, that is a play upon mind, life-force and body. But at some point they can see what that is, they can see pretty basically what their characteristic life strategy or play is about, what their characteristic ritual is about, how it generally appears. And usually they will see that they gravitate toward one of these three areas, most basically, although they will include the others in the play in a typical repetitive form, kind of ritual order. So at some point they will observe that and they can account for it and be responsible for it, even take on, add conditions beyond the nominal ones that are based on that, on having observed this and it having been pointed out to them by others.

Are there any other things we should talk about that deal with this specific moment in this course? Today's topic is self-observation.

DEVOTEE: From what I understand about self-observation it has a fundamental insight to it the penetrates the content and in this profound insight you see the totality of your existence and that avoidance of relationship. Is that like a more advanced or mature stage of sadhana or is the difference between a random moment of self-observation and at the same time that profundity of insight exists?

BUBBA: Well obviously this observation of a fragment is not sufficient to become the basis of a conscious life, a conscious approach to the totality of your life. This self observation must become summary. It must become fundamental to the whole of your life, then it can become the principle of your conscious approach to your life from moment to moment. Observation of some fragment can't, is not significant enough, is not central enough. Something comes up in the next moment and you haven't accounted for that. So you've got to see it again.

This seminar today is intended to be a lesson relative to self-observation. We could get into all kinds of complicated descriptions about things, but what it is to serve in you if this lesson is about self-watching. You will tend to identify the process of understanding in the form of self-observation with this game of self-watching, with analyzing yourself, with collecting information about yourself, and so forth. These kinds of things will take place in any case. And they are conventional aspects of your life and of your sadhana. But it's simply that you tend to identify that with self-observation, with the affair of understanding.

This seminar today is to serve as a lesson relative to that particular tendency. And it is at this stage in your sadhana as it is maturing to the point of enquiry, it is at this stage in your sadhana that you must enjoy that lesson, you must clearly understand that what you are doing. This thing that you see yourself doing commonly which is self-watching, collecting information and having insight based upon information analyzed insights and so forth, when you are doing that that is not understanding. If that can become very clear to you then this seminar has served its purpose.

The purpose of this seminar is not to go on and describe in endless elaborated detail what self-observation is and what a moment of self-observation is and so forth. That gets, that becomes kind of poetic. And you must resort again to the practical form of your sadhana, and lessons must appear in this practical affair of sadhana that eliminate aspects from of your conventional life, from the picture you have of this real understanding.

You must cease to identify the whole game of self-watching with understanding. And today we've just approached it from many different directions to help make that differentiation, help you make that differentiation. And so we shouldn't end this discussion tonight until it is apparent, clear to you, apparent to you simply obvious to you that self-watching is not this conscious process. If it isn't clear to you on the basis of everything that you've gone through today, then you should ask some questions about that. If it's clear to you, then we don't have to go over it.


RESPONSIBILITY

 

DEVOTEE: I just want to bring up another point again. The question of responsibility. I think that's another big area of confusion, because what you describe tonight, self-watching is not self-observation and self-observation occurs spontaneously in the very simple process of this sadhana in living the conditions in relationship to you.

The question of responsibility seems to have already come up. It's very often put to people, and I guess you did talk about it with regard to someone who may have already evidenced a certain degree of understanding who then can be made to be consistent and take responsibility for that. But the question of responsibility, from what I gather that you said tonight doesn't even enter in until quite a substantial degree of understanding has been realized.

BUBBA: Responsibility as a term that applies to the affair of understanding, not to your conventional life. Responsibility relative to the affair of understanding does only enter in when consciousness is your position. And it really is not there until enquiry in its real form is there.

That is the first form of real responsibility. Of course there's responsibility before that, but it's essentially a conventional kind of responsibility. You're responsible to maintain the conditions and so forth. Those are responsibilities that you, those are forms of obligation that you assume on the basis of some kind of understanding, your sympathy with the Teaching and so forth. But they're not responsibilities in the radical sense that applies to the process of understanding. They are responsibilities that serve it, that are just as binding, but they don't have the significance that responsibility in consciousness has.

DEVOTEE: Bubba frequently in the past you fairly clearly demanded that we assume greater responsibility for what you've already shown us, and I have a hard time fitting that demand into what you've just said. Are you just talking about the conventional end of things? Just bringing greater intensity to our conventional way of dealing with student sadhana?

BUBBA: Hm?

DEVOTEE: You're always going around kicking ass and being very impatient because we're not really being responsible for what you've shown us. I don't understand what that means in the context of the answer you just gave Bonnie.

BUBBA: Now my business is to make demands. That is my business, to make demands of you to the point of doing you in, to the point of crisis, to the point where you see something and so forth. So I make demands not because creates a problem for you, most generally it creates a situation, a condition for you, in which something may be seen and so forth. Generally however you can respond to the conventional aspect of that demand by doing very practical things.

Like if the kitchen's not being run right, I go over there and tell them what I want done, and people can then do that. But if I tell you to enquire, you can't do that. If I tell you to understand, you can't do that. But you can establish yourself with more intensity in the conventional areas of your sadhana and that ultimately does serve the event of enquiry and that kind of responsibility.

There is a kind of demand that can be made at one point for enquiry that is true enough and that can be fulfilled. And that's the kind of situation I was describing earlier where clearly the guy has passed through the whole affair of self observation in real terms and has seen in summary terms the ritual of his life. And has seen it as this dramatization, this avoidance of relationship. And has really seen it.

And it has even made a real difference to him, but even so the whole affair of enquiry is still very mysterious, and he does it sometimes, sometimes he doesn't, and he's still waiting and rat-a-tat. Well, you can oblige him to seen and so forth.


Self Observation, Vital Shock and Crisis

 

DEVOTEE: Bubba, the release of vital shock to me seems to be the equivalent of real self-observation and insight. How does ego death fit in with that? Is that, on a life level where the release of vital shock occurs? Is ego death something that takes place in the causal heart or is that impossible in the release of vital shock?

BUBBA: Well, in its ultimate sense, certainly, yes. It is when the causal being is opened, when that knot in the causal being is opened. But that event as well as a lot of more superficial versions of it essentially amounts to forgetting of the self-definition, release of it. And that occurs whenever there is real insight, real enquiry. such a moment consciousness falls into its natural position and releases ego, mind, and desire.

So at the same time is the mind is perhaps effected, stilled in some moments in this affair of enquiry and desires also come to rest at random times. Well, just so this self-meditation, this activity of self definition, also comes to rest in the same insight, the same enquiry.

Ego death is simply the absence of self-definition, the absence of self meditation. And that occurs whenever the consciousness that is otherwise defining itself as a "me" rests in its prior condition of the Self, of the Divine. Whenever that occurs there is not unconsciousness, there's not the death of somebody and then you sit in the darkness feeling dead. No, there's the passage of consciousness from one assumed condition into another that is not assumed.

Ego is a matter of attention, contraction of the field of consciousness. When consciousness rests in its prior condition, there is no attention, no contraction in the field of consciousness, natural, prior happiness, radiance, without a sense of being separate one, without the sense of having died and now become a big one either. It's the prior condition, not an achieved condition. So another one of the lessons in these series of seminars is that passage through the principal mood is not to go through an episode of fear. Some people just like to go through phases and then have experiences of that kind they way I've described it. But passage though the principal mood is to go beyond the contraction of fear and of self and so forth into the natural intuition that is the condition of enquiry. And that obviates fear, that obviates the principal mood. It doesn't bring it on so that you can cut it out of yourself and so forth.

There's no ego death experience either that is a necessary aspect of this affair of understanding. It's not a required experience. It doesn't have to happen, at all. There needn't be anything, in experiential terms, that's particularly far out about this whole affair of understanding, from beginning to end.

If you really grasp it, that fundamental realization, which is not just a minor little psychological adjustment, but an absolute realization of the Divine, as long as that is served, there needn't be any karmic dramas that amount to anything. There may be, but there needn't be, it's not necessary. And you shouldn't try to manipulate yourself into a very dramatic and heroic kind of spiritual life because you think that otherwise you're not having it or something. So you must be sensitive to what the process itself fundamentally is and you're responsible for what sadhana is by description, what it is as a natural process. And if in the midst of doing all of that there is no special drama well, that's fine.

DEVOTEE: I don't know if it's useful for this or not, but today I was in study group, I was mentioning to people that sometimes a confusion arises in my own case as to, what, like a sensation of the experience of clarity, what I would call Presence. I'm beginning to wonder about that, it's a sense of, like, maybe a sense of great immunity, just sort of removing myself somehow. I don't know, it's not some little trick that I do, you know, I never really got it out, but, maybe a little trick that, some internal trick that I'm fooling with that clears out the mechanism, as a sense of community as opposed to

BUBBA: Is this true?

DEVOTEE: Yeah, like the effect

BUBBA: Is that what you do?

DEVOTEE: It seems like there suspecting myself.

BUBBA: Well, in some moment without really getting concerned about it now, trying to look at it and watch it, at some moment it may be very clear to you that that's what you're doing. That's the difference between understanding relative to the mind in your own case and watching it. You can sit here and watch it now and see what you're doing. But all you'll get out of that is some data about it some information.

But just by doing sadhana in the practical terms in which at some random it's been given to you at some random moment you may see something specifically about that.


SELF OBSERVATION, INSIGHT, ENQUIRY AND RADICAL INTUITION

 

DEVOTEE: Bubba, another question that came up in our group was, we were talking about observation, and it was always described as a moment, you know, a moment of self-observation and insight. And the question arose about the continuation of that, whether that same enjoyment was enquiry, the same thing that is sustained by enquiry, that same insight. In other words it was always described as something that arose, and then it seemed to pass with the next moment. There wasn't any sustaining of that insight. The question was, you know was the sustaining of that that enquiry or was it, you know, could self observation be sustained for periods of time.

BUBBA: Observation or insight, which is fundamentally the same thing, lasts only when it is perfect, because if it is perfect it includes all other possible things that may be observed, and so it goes on and on and on. Any moment of self-observation can't last because something else arises. You must be present in the next moment. So it's only when this whole affair of self-observation and insight becomes summary, conclusive, total comprehension of fundamentally what you are as an activity. It's only then that it can appear as a real responsibility in consciousness. But it appears at random. You don't forever from that moment understand. You must enquire.

In other words, Self Observation has brought you to the point of Enquiry and responsibility at that point. You have now had the fundamental insight which give you to tools of enquiry. You now enquire at random. You must initiate it consciously initiate it and reinitiate it in random moments from then. And the process of enquiry itself is summarized in a greater process, re-cognition. And in the case of radical intuition we have the perfect form of the conscious process. And in the case of radical intuition, the perfect form of insight or the natural state is not itself reinitiated from moment to moment. It is constantly enjoyed because it is realized in the perfect sense so it includes all possible moments.


SELF-WATCHING, SELF-OBSERVATION AND ENQUIRY

 

DEVOTEE: People were talking about the relationship between observation and enquiry, Some said you couldn' t separate the to two out and other people felt that they could.

BUBBA: Obviously they're two distinct things. Enquiry is "Avoiding relationship?" Observation is when you are at random present in a passive state, an uncaused, passive state, and see suddenly the nature of some condition. observation is a conscious activity, rather, enquiry is a conscious activity in which you initiate enquiry in the form "Avoiding relationship?" And enquiry is something you do deliberately, intentionally, from the position of that insight, from the point of view of that insight.

But self-observation you can't initiate. Anything that is initiated that looks like self-observation is self-watching. So there's that distinction also. Self-observation is essentially a random and passive moment in which no self is presented in you fulfilling a natural condition of life in Satsang. And the whole affair of this self-observation ultimately becomes summary and conclusive, it becomes comprehension. Then you may enquire. And since enquiry is founded in this insight, this prior insight, this real process, it can be intentionally initiated at random in the formal setting of meditation in Satsang or just any time. Self-observation is not a matter of responsibility. It is a matter of conventional responsibility: you must fulfill the conditions and so forth in Satsang. But you cannot be responsible for this process of self obsevrvation itself. You can for self-watching. You can decide to do that and be responsible for doing it every five minutes.

DEVOTEE: Bubba, it is like there s something elusive about self-observation. And we were saying in our group today there may be one reason for that is an evolving and changing thing. And It kind of perturbs and offends the mind approach to have anything change its definition because you can't pin it down. Just like I was having residual desires to pin it down. One question that came to my mind a while ago was, can self-observation occur without the mental cognition that it's occurring.

BUBBA: Well, something very much like real self-observation may occur, but relative to the affair of understanding we can really only talk about it when there is some sort of reflection, real awareness, cause there can't be any responsibility otherwise. But there can be moments in the process that are the equivalent of self-observation that sweep some things out of the picture, and so forth. Just like you can have a dream at night that's the equivalent of twenty years of karma and yet have no responsible relationship to it. But fundamentally the affair of self-observation is part of the whole affair of understanding and so it must involve responsibility.

Self-observation as it really is is really not very really significant until it has taken place in your own case. All the conversation about it and so forth is not terribly conclusive. And that's why I, said a little earlier that the purpose of our meeting together here today is not to ready or define and get you strategically oriented towards something that is self-observation.

It's to give this lesson about self-watching, something with which you are already involved, with which you have had experience with, in which you all did confess to at various times in these conversations today. You described self-observation in terms of content and so forth. And this whole process we've gone through today is to make it clear as a lesson in your own case, but when you are doing that it is not understanding that you are up to, it's just that that you are up to. And that in itself must be understood, that affair of self-watching. On the other hand you're not told well, now that you know that go home and self-observe. You are simply returned as before to the natural condition of your sadhana, which is a very practical condition in which you live this Satsang in the form of these practical conditions, and in doing so there will be times when you observe something about yourself, and in that moment comprehend it also. But the other times in which you see things and watch yourself, and get data about yourself, that's another thing and we've been talking about that today. But there are moments in which you also see yourself in which you comprehend yourself. And self-observation in its real sense is of that nature. You not only get information about yourself, you comprehend that area of drama in your life and are fundamentally free of it on the basis of that observation, on the basis of that insight. And these moments of observation, each time they appear, have a more summary form each time they appear. You still see yourself, you're still comprehending yourself.

The content is not what is this significant. it's the comprehension that's significant, in the sense of release from that particular binding process. It becomes more and more summary and ultimately becomes a perfect tacit, total comprehension of yourself as an activity and after that moment you may enquire. Then you are obliged to be responsible, take a responsible position relative to the conscious process.


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